Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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Originally by: Feyleaf

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Originally by: Balthamel Eval'Raman

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Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.

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I'm not at all convinced anything would be different. I understand the wish for 0.0 improvements, but this change would still have as polarizing down the road as it is today. The fact is that a lot of people are concerned with their space being less secure, and having to travel a bit further. Those concerns will still exist this winter when we launch the improvements. Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get some more answers in tomorrow.

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Originally by: Jack Tronic

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Originally by: Levarr Burton

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As for 0.0 being "stale" and not having "enough PvP," I'm going to once again call bull****. The largest war in EVE's history is currently playing out between the DRF & associated groups and the NC/CF/BFFs. On top of that, billions of isk worth of ships are killed every week in nearly every inhabited nullsec region. Anyone who can't find PvP simply isn't trying.

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The thing is, people are whining about no PvP because they can't find easy carebear/riskless ganks or 1v1s. They are trying to force their to be free kills and solo roaming when clearly people want to roam in gangs instead, people blob cause they want to fight and be done with it. But of course like religion, their view of PvP must be forced on everyone.

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Originally by: Dodgy Past

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There's a very solid vibe that people 'own space' but don't feel safe in it, otherwise they wouldn't be so upset by this change.

Simply put, if you can't police your space why do you think you deserve it?

Maybe you should start actively policing it, and not just putting up random gangs but put these gargantuan brains that dwarf the thuggish PvP'ers who could never design a jump bridge network to other uses.

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Originally by: Miso Hawnee

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Originally by: Vaju Katru

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Originally by: Miso Hawnee

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Guys, Just accept that eve is dead. Welcome the new expansion: Eve Galaxies.

All that will be left on the server is butthurt SC blobs and bots. Let them have it, battlefield 3 comes out soon and should be superior to this cluster **** of a game in every way.

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Cry more carebear. EvE more alive then ever, this change prove it.

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The only thing alive and well is the RMT trade. Tell me, who is going to buy all those supercaps on ebay when there aren't any humans left in eve?

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Originally by: Sieran

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When this is all over I'm sure CCP will pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

I can't stress how HORRIBLE the management of the game is. You're not managing it you're MEDDLING - KNOCK IT OFF! You are TOO INVOLVED in the player base. GET OUT. We pay for the game - you GET PAID. You're making changes like a n00b. Make them slow, but RIGHT.

YOUR thoughts on game direction. YOUR long-term goals for the game?

REALLY?!! I thought the whole goal here was so that people who PAY to play the game could set their OWN long term thoughts and goals. Now I don't know what the heck to do. What direction should I train? Where should I go? Nullsec? You gotta be KIDDING ME?! I know - let me go to 0.0 and do a ton of work with an alliance, set up sov, get things rolling and FOOMP! rug pulled out from under our feet. OK - fine. Go set up somewhere else in 0.0 and do it all again. Now things are rolling again and dang if the rug didn't up and friggin disappear again.

It's really starting to look like the end goal is to control lag by removing the gaming population....

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Originally by: Chiralos

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Short term:

No JBs for jumping ships is obvious. Not so sure about 1 JB per system. How about reducing range of supercaps compared to dreads and carriers, which might allow short, smaller scale capital engagements, and making committing supercaps more of a commitment.

Long term:

How much more productive does 0.0 have to be to balance the risk ? 20% ? 50% ? I think 200% - 300% for in-space activities like mining. Theory is as follows.

Say you can produce X alone in highsec in one hour. What you want to see in nullsec is for every eg miner producing X, a raider trying to steal X and a guard trying to stop the raider. The miner produces 3X. About 1/3 of the time the raider wins and takes 3X for an average income of X. The other 2/3 of the time the miner/guard win, netting themselves X each on average. Now, income is the same as highsec, but small-gang-warfare fun is had by all.

Bump mining and loot yields (but not ISK) in nullsec, allow more refining and manufacturing slots (multiple outposts per system, POS buf ?). Ramp up taxes, refining, manufacturing fees in highsec. Consider more dynamic resources in nullsec -
eg randomly occurring deposits of moongoo (PI-style moon mining ? Planetary rings ?) that last for a month or so.

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Originally by: LtCol Laurentius

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About ****ing time CCP. Good Job!

And to you whiners out there: I have lived the last 3 years in nullsec. Without a single jumpbridge. Confirming it is possible. But ofc, you cannot be asleep at the helm anymore. You actually have to coordinate with other players. Use scouts. Use bookmarks. Be smart. For those of you that thinks this just is to much effort, I wish you good luck in your journey back to empire space, where you belong.

HTFU.

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Originally by: Arien Omnicron

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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So the TL;DR is that you are yet AGAIN nerfing incentives to actually live in 0.0 (instead of using high sec alts for your income) and somewhere in the future you are going to iterate on it to fix the real issues, as you say all the time but never actually happens?

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Exactly disrupting the JB network it going to kill large alliances. ITS 0.0 Players control the flow of action, if this game is supposed to be player driven, why are you removing more freedoms of the player

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Originally by: Vaju Katru

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Originally by: Arien Omnicron

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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So the TL;DR is that you are yet AGAIN nerfing incentives to actually live in 0.0 (instead of using high sec alts for your income) and somewhere in the future you are going to iterate on it to fix the real issues, as you say all the time but never actually happens?

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Exactly disrupting the JB network it going to kill large alliances. ITS 0.0 Players control the flow of action, if this game is supposed to be player driven, why are you removing more freedoms of the player

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They are giving players freedom, freedom to kill you.

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Originally by: Dvomayn

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Lol listen to yourself for crying out loud. People used to survive in EVE without JB's, you can sure as hell survive after these changes. The only people these changes are going to remotely hurt is the idiots up north who have jump bridges splattered everywhere and have no interest in participating in decent PVP of any sort. Man the hell up and take the changes. This is probably one of the best changes CCP could make to JB's - they could always remove them and _god forbid_ you would have to take more gates, shock horror.

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Originally by: Lunenwald

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This is a major economic error. This will drive up the cost of ALL null sec resources in hi and low sec. It will hurt hi sec economies, since null will not be BUYING as much of their goods. This will also cause players to quit. Not good for CCPs wallet either. There are dead zones in null where no one lives because CCP has killed them,not the carebears or PVPers. These systems are now not profitable. JBs only connect profitable systems. No one likes flying through these wastelands, not even PVPers, since no one lives there. Make these wastelands profitable again CCP! Thats your real answer. JBs are just a symptom of a bigger problem that you created. Fix that and your JB "problem" will go away.

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Originally by: Matthias Thane

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Edited by: Matthias Thane on 11/05/2011 01:45:26
Let's make this clear: I am an enemy of the NC.
I still think this is stupid.


I agee that jump bridges need changing, but not like this.
I agree taht combat jump capable ships (baring black-ops) shouldn't be able to use JBs, but when did they use them in the first place?
This is punishing players for being organised. I don't think that should happen.

The principle behind this change is wrong.

Originally by: Moostang

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Edited by: Moostang on 11/05/2011 01:00:36

Originally by: Wibla

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This JB nerf is impressively stupid.

CCP, do you even play your own game?

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Apparently not. IMO travel in this game in a subcap is the worst part of this game. It's horrible.

Leave the limit to two per system just make the jump bridges anchor-able at a planet instead of a moon and make them show up in the overview system-wide, i.e. player-made gates. Make them incap-able like station services and only destroyable when the i-hub is destroyable.

I dont give a damn about the safety of the current jump bridge system, I care about the 20-40 extra mind numbing jumps of pure hell like we had to endure pre-jump bridges.

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This. I think this should be implemented.

You want to make things more interesting and random? Make null to null wormholes as common in the game as rifters are in small gang pvp. Make 50% of null wormholes have enough mass limit to give a titan a return trip.
You will be giving alliances relatively safe pathways into enemy space. You will be allowing small gang to medium fleet size engagements. Nothing will be safe because wormhole are random.

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Originally by: Tel'me Am Peur

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Originally by: Cellistara

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Seems to be a lot of "Back in my day, ..." going on here. Back in your day things were ****ty, but things should improve over time, not get better then switch back to the ****tiness. It would be like saying ok, the calculator is great, but then switching back to a damn slide rule.

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Anyone will tell you the game was better back then, nto worse. None of the things being nerfed here improved 0.0 gameplay, they simply created a series of crutches that allowed it to get along at a more relaxed pace and crank out supers, which have had the added effect of ruining sov. games even further.

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Originally by: Zarko Dreadlor

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hey, here's an idea. FIX BOTTERS. FIX BOTS sitting in jita making billions, and makeing it impossible for a human to do ****.

Fixed botters in nullsec who go to there POS.

Fix something thats ****ing WRONG and broken.

I don't even care jump bridges are going down to 1 per system. You might consider fixing botting first.

FAIL

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Originally by: Better Than You

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Edited by: Better Than You on 11/05/2011 02:26:21
Oh great. I was worried I would be able to help my friends fight bitter *******s when they decide to get board and camp their station during their down time. Oh wait... can't do that now. Sorry guys, CCP decided null sec should be about 1337 Pee Vee Pee and screwed up me being able to get to you guys. Great job CCP, really great.

CCP; Dictating who can be reliable friends since 2011.

Anymore wonderful changes in store for those of us who fought hard to get some territory, those of us who actually play the game and not some super fail devs who think that because they work at CCP, means they understand the players and what we want, in the near future???

You can take this game and shove it up your ass!

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Originally by: Megy Feel

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Originally by: Alice Celadon

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THIS IS SHAMEFUL WHY AREN'T JBS BEING REMOVED ENTIRELY!!!!!

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Originally by: Khors

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Edited by: Khors on 11/05/2011 06:43:41
I love changes like this, so many tears!
(Harden the fu*k up NC, you are over represented in this thread, but then again you are the reason jumpbridges are being nerfed).

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Originally by: Zey Nadar

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Originally by: FellRaven

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It's obvious which Alliances have most DEVs are in them, we can't win fairly left cheat should be CCPs motto

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Yep. The timing of this does imply fairly heavily of some kind of behind-scenes involvement.

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Hmmm tears.

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Originally by: Rumpelstilski

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Fellraven, my good KOS buddy of old, don't fret about it, the changes will probably affect DRF a lot more then the NC considering the long logistic routes that they have and you don't.

Besides, CCP can't make or don't make policies based on player internal politics.

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Originally by: Jars Ner

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Originally by: Cynthia Ysolde

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this is awesome, good job ccp

notice all the people complaining are in the nc


hey nc, ha ha

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Originally by: Jelek Coro

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Excellent idea...


Kindly ignoring the crying and gnashing of teeth made by certain nul sec residents who have most likely forgoten about pre jump bridge (and WTZ) convoys

More targets is always a good thing.

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Originally by: Bren Keilloram

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Originally by: CCP Soundwave

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It increases traffic in areas that are more accessible to players outside your alliance. It's a given that a POS with guns, shields and a jumpbridge to another friendly POS is inherently safer than a stargate. While it's certainly possible to kill people at POSs, it's a bit more complex than just roaming around, killing people in open space.

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Well, actually killing ppl at a jb pos is easier than killing them at some gate is, mostly because they feel safe at a jb pos and they aren't.

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